Why St. Louis Is A Terrible, No Good Place (GUEST POST)

Here’s another guest post from @J_D_P, who previously shared some tough love for Ted Leonsis.


There hasn’t been enough hate of the Cardinals in the discussions of the NLDS series so I thought I’d lend my hand. I lived in St. Louis the past three years and was very happy to escape back to civilization.

Not all of it is bad. The baseball stadium is great, their sports talk generally blows ours out of the water, and the cost of living is cheap as hell. But now that that is out of the way, it’s time to get into the hate.

1. Crime

Any discussion of why St. Louis sucks has to begin with the crime rate. Take your pick of lists of violent crime in America and St. Louis is consistently in the top-three. The latest FBI survey put St. Louis at No. 3 behind Flint and Detroit Michigan. Congrats St. Louis, you aren’t worse than Flint!

I was mugged in St. Louis, and nearly everyone I knew there had either been jumped or had their car broken into. Obviously this happens in any big city, but the scope of it is more in St. Louis. There’s no clear demarcation line between good and bad area. Just bad and worse areas.

Basically, you should never feel safe being in St. Louis. Even more mind-numbing is the city’s response to their crime problem has been to cut the amount of police officers. I shouldn’t be surprised by any of this at this point.

2. Generally Insular Community

St. Louis does not have a central downtown. It would probably claim that the area near the ballpark is. But there is never a collective mass of people there like in any other city. Downtown there are barely any street-level businesses. None of the office buildings have store fronts and there are no convenience stores. There is nowhere downtown to get coffee or food.

St. Louisans don’t find this to be a problem likely because they all flee the downtown anyways. This probably gets back to point one about there being a ton of crime and thus nobody wanting to be downtown.

In the mind of most St. Louisans the pinnacle one can achieve in life is to have some fake store-bought McMansion with cheap vinyl siding out in the suburbs. The term “white flight” must have been invented for this area. They place no value on cultural or aesthetic aspects of their community. Thus the city is decrepit and full of vacant lots.

This isn’t to say the people aren’t nice. They generally are. And you have lots of Cardinals fans who come from the boondocks anyway. But essentially it’s an area of 3 million “Joe the Plumbers.” Why have anything cultural when you can get all you need at the Walmart. St. Louis is too insular and too stupid to realize it, and, worse, they’re complacent and defensive about it. Thus it will never improve.

3. Food

St. Louis has several “iconic” food locations. Or so they claim. First, there’s their barbeque. It is massively overrated. The place that locals point to is Pappy’s which was also featured on Food Network’s Man vs. Food. Their big claim is they don’t put sauce on their meats because it is good enough without. Meanwhile they have jugs of sauces on every table that everyone douses their food in. Purely mediocre BBQ.

But rather than harp on what they claim is their best, its easier to pick out what is easily their worst product: provel pizza. This godforsaken creation is the worst abomination to masquerade as pizza. St. Louis-style pizza’s big claim to fame is that they invented their own cheese, which is so wildly popular that no one outside the city has heard of it.

Provel is basically a combination of the droppings of all other cheeses that is then melted together. Imo’s, St. Louis’ go-to pizza joint, then puts some tomato paste and this sham cheese on a cracker-style crust. Basically, never eat this piece of crap if you value your taste buds of intestines.

Maybe worse than the eating experience itself is when the rubes that live there defend it to the death. If you don’t like it you are some East Coast elitist. Well, if liking real pizza makes me an elitist, then give me my crown and bow down before me, you minions!

This goes beyond food actually. St. Louisans are incredibly defensive about their city and the Midwest in general. Granted, I’m spending my time here writing a post about why they suck, but it would be easier to accept St. Louis if they accepted the imperfections of their city rather than telling outsiders that they just don’t get it. I don’t want to get it.

4. Sports

Hear me out. I get that the Cardinals now have some great fans. They are pretty knowledgeable from my experience with them. They have great bars around the stadium. They win. Etc. But the other sports are insanely neglected.

The Blues made the playoffs last year and I went to games that weren’t even close to sold out. Nobody knew who any of the players were nor the coach that brought them to prominence. I’m sure many D.C. citizens didn’t know the Caps players until they got good too. So this goes beyond hockey.

The football team, which won a Super Bowl as the Greatest Show on Turf, can’t keep fans interested. Again, some interest will come with winning, but even in their near-playoff year when they lost to the Seahawks to miss out on a berth they couldn’t draw fans. All the complaints about their stadium are generally misplaced. It is nice enough and it’s at least in the city. Fans have no right to not go to games.

Don’t worry though, St. Louis has its own version of LaVar Arrington. DeMarco Farr, former Rams player, has a radio show in which he babbles about things he doesn’t know. Basically, outside of the Cardinals, the city is full of mediocre sports fans who don’t support their teams whether they have success or not.

5. Dumb Shticks

If you thought “Natitude” was embarrassing the Cardinals have you covered for a multitude of stupid shticks. They have their “Happy Flight” phrase, a Rally Squirrel, “Torty Craig” (Allen Craig’s pet tortoise), the hometown hero deification of David Freese (he of the two DUIs and public intoxication charges), and forgiveness of steroid user Mark McGwire. Then there’s the fickleness of their fans.

After Game 1 there were calls for manager Mike Matheny to be fired mid-series only to be lauded as a genius after pulling starter Jaime Garcia after two innings and then inventing an injury for him after the game. The Cardinals fans are all about their great tradition with luminaries like Lou Brock and Stan Musial. What do you think they would think about having a cheater as their hitting coach or a stuffed squirrel as their mascot?

Screw the Cardinals. I pray we win so I can gloat to all those rubes about how they suck.

128 thoughts on “Why St. Louis Is A Terrible, No Good Place (GUEST POST)”

  1. sounds to me like somebody here pissed you off, its ok though and let me correct you , you make saint louis sound like its from the stone ages, but yes wé have à central downtown there are coffee shops on every corner damn near you must bave stages right next to the stadium because you Were to afraid to leave the comfort if your hotel room, and stuck to the main streets LOL next hang out on Washington they have everything, yes the crime raté sucks unfortunately, and please you know damn well you like imos are you made because they mix all the cheese together wierdo, i hate baseball so i cant tell you shit about that but dude prêtre much every city here bas à downtown or a loop area which is beautiful they wit out play jazz catch all the delicious smells free style night for poets and freestylers, its awesome but yea it official somebody must have smelled that you was from out if town and scared you shitless LMMFAO!!!!!!

    1. At least no one can claim the public education in stl isn’t wonderful. No one here has a reading level above 4th grade. Worst grammar I’ve seen on the Internet. If anyone doubts this town (that fraudulently calls itself a city ) is full of rubes then read the above .

  2. oh and to the people who think wé probably never left saint louis, fuck off, i was raised in georgia lived in milwaukee travelled to other states sooooooooooo what do you have to say now, hell dont visit less fuckin tourist in the fuckin way

  3. First off I have lived in STL my whole life and went to Washington. Isn’t it rated the most unfriendly place in America, your blog post helps that stigma. I could use curse words or juvenile phrases to put my point across, BUT I won’t. Honestly you have some grudge against Saint Louis.
    Saint Louis is a nice city with the ability to be this massive city or small town. Our downtown does have millions of options to eat.Sorry our downtown doesn’t have a Walmart or Strip Mall. Saint Louis does have crime, but as any educated person knows the top ten rankings of crime rate are indeed flawed.

  4. This hack is so uninformed, I’m not surprised he moved back to DC. Such cocksure stupidity could only be put to use working for the federal government. But I digress… We were talking about St. Louis.

    Let’s talk crime. Yea, it kinda sucks, but if he qualifies car break-ins and getting hassled as crime he must be so dickless I’d sooner choose my sister to back me up in a bar fight.

    The community… He thinks St. Louisans are nice?! Did he talk to any? Were they sober? Was he? I’ve never found a greater concentration of homophobic, neo-con segregationists anywhere else. Again, way off.

    Food… I live in New York. My friends are from all over the world. Those who’ve visited St. Louis with me are floored by how good the restaurants are — especially those downtown and in the old city neighborhoods. Maybe the author had a bad experience at Applebee’s on Kingshighway or couldn’t squeeze enough cash out of his crippled blogging gig to foot the bill at Blood & Sand, Farmhaus or Niche.

    While we’re on the topic, I’d love to see DC take the Pepsi challenge with its restaurants. Talk about a wasteland. Every time I visit, I come back looking like the ghost of Karen Carpenter because I can’t even find a good cup of coffee, let alone a good meal. I’d have better luck in Haiti.

    Last but not least, sports… Fuck yea.

    And fuck you.

  5. No place to eat downtown?…rosalitas, Lucas park grill, rooster, papa johns, wasabi, sansai, panera, jade, jimmy johns, mosaic, jiving whale, culinaria, Starbucks, baileys range, some irish pub (o’malleys?) and not to mention tons of cafes/small places on Washington.
    Yup, no where at all.

  6. Al’s, Blood & Sand (if you can get in), Copia, Blondie’s, City Diner, Tony’s, Buck’s, the Tap Room, Pickles, Morgan Street, Everest, Broadway Oyster Bar, Mizu, Eat Rite, Sen… the list could keep going and going.

    Anna, whoever you are, do you know what food is? Rather than list places to eat it, would it help more if we copied and pasted the definition of the word “restaurant?”

  7. Having lived now as a transplant for a year here now (lived in SF Bay area, Boston, Philly) I agree with some of the posts the author makes.

    Imo’s is absolutely disgusting and when I can make a better pie or Italian food at home it kind of defeats the purpose on eating there. Ditto anything Anheuser-Busch puts out although there are finally some decent microbrew companies starting to emerge that actually use good ingredients and really care about the quality of their products.

    Restaurant scheme here in general kind of sucks too. There are a few good and innovate restaurants but they are far and few in between. Limited decent ethnic food restaurants too. Your have to make a point of searching out for good food here and for places that sell good produce and ingredients.

    I can’t believe the author didn’t mention the single worst thing about living in St. Louis which is the weather. It might be one of the worst places in the U.S. Even crappier than living in Pittsburgh or Buffalo.

    Crime here is a real issue too but it is in Philly too. You just have to pay attention, use common sense, and know what parts of town to generally avoid after dark.

    As for the sports fans, I find them to be pretty much like most fans with the exception of the Cards’ fans. When the team is winning, people are interested and when they aren’t people are largely indifferent.

    Downtown does have a few okay areas but it is really lacking compared to most cities of its size. Baltimore, Providence, and several other smaller cities I can think of similiar size have a focal downtown area point that is nicer and a better destination point.

    St. Louis does have plenty of things going for it though. Cost of living here is cheap, housing is ridiculously affordable, and other costs are within reason. People are a bit insular but also friendly, polite, and affable. I loved going to school in Boston and living for a while afterwards there but there is a reason they invented the term ‘Masshole’

  8. I stumbled on this by accident…after living in STL for almost 4 years, I thought I’d give it a whirl and read it.

    So Jamie Mottram (and some other posters) hate St. Louis. …ok. and?

    Been downtown Chicago…was a neat city and would like to go back but won’t because of IL’s ridiculous gun control aka people control laws and the idiotic politicians and Liberalism in that state.

    Been to D.C and surrounding area half a dozen times. …there’s so much to do / see it’d take a year! Diversity sucks. Speaking of crime, family friend (Sheriff Deputy) told me he and his coworkers from back home were in DC for training, got lost, called the local police department for help. Local dept heard where they were and said “You’re where?! You need to get out of there now…WE dont even go there”.

    San Diego is cool (zoo, weather, etc).

    Miami is a neat town.

    Etc, etc etc. My point here is that I find it interesting how folks feel compelled to bash on STL like no other and then, try to argue that you’re dumb if you like STL pizza, I dont care what you say there isnt anything to do there, blah blah blah. I havent had Pappys BBQ but everyone I know (either local or out of state visitors) that eat there say its great. No where downtown STL to get food? Really? Ummm…did you ever go to Wash Ave or any of the other side streets downtown? The Landing? So everything is Jamie’s opinion, you’re entitled to it…doesnt make it right. (just as you or others that hate STL wont think I’m right)

  9. D.C. Is ghetto. Nats blow…you’re not even a real city, but a barnacle on virgina and leech to Philly and new york. You probably got mugged because your an east coast homer who doesn’t understand the county and city populations. Baltimore (you know this as another east coast city that blows the doors off in comparison to fucking DC) is the same way city and county. Try doing some research before spouting off some ominous observation based on you degengerate opinion.
    The Washington caps, the wizard sleeves, and the Nats…Playoffs bitch. At least we have barbecue and pizza. You may not like it, and that’s your opinion…a shitty one but an opinion. DC is famous for?????? Oh yea food trucks. Nothing like blending carbon monoxide with a dog while you wait for a bus to get you out of this district and to a real city.
    DC is a bunch of can’t hack it new york wannabe’s….always will be. I’m glad I never met you in STL, cause I would slapped your whinny, self loathing ass over to East St. Louis, and you could express the segregation vomit speech over there. It that with some provel. This is the best reply you’ve gotten.

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  11. I use to engage in the I hate St.Louis rants.After realizing how I sounded doing so,I decided to channel my energy toward getting out.I have enjoyed a lot of success in the 13 years I’ve been here so I wont diss.But I will disembark.

  12. Yes, I grew up in San Diego, and lived in Los Angeles. I’ve lived in St. Louis for a number of years, and I like St. Louis better.

    Number One Reason: I don’t spend 2 hours trying to get home every evening. After 2 hours every evening of having 20 million illegals illegally cutting you off, stalling in front of you, and illegally spewing fumes in your face that you know couldn’t pass at one of those smog checks, you have to scream and hit something, and it usually ends up being your own steering wheel while you are stuck, going nowhere on I-5.

    Beaches: In the summer, the beaches where the Mississippi and Missouri rivers meet are every bit as good as the beaches in San Diego, and they are never closed due to the Tijuana sewer backing up.

    Park: Now let’s compare Forest Park to San Diego’s equivalent, Balboa Park. At Forest Park, you have all those young, tall, skinny college students and nurses jogging around it due to all the colleges and hospitals that are around it. When you take all the tourists away at Balboa Park, all you have at the end of the day is a bunch of homeless people taking baths in those fountains, and fat, foreign nationalists who don’t want to date you since you are a white guy. I made out like a bandit in St. Louis, and now I have an extra 2 hours in the evening to enjoy those skinny legs at my condo in Clayton.

    Jobs: Ouch! Jobs for white/black guys are equally hard to find between St. Louis and San Diego.

    Sports: St. Louis is dedicated to the Cardinals while San Diego prefers to use their stadium parking as the Saturday Swap Meet. No one cares about the Padres because they are a bunch of slackers who just hang out at PB or OB and drink more Bud than the Cardinals even though the Bud Plant is much closer to the Cardinals.

    Food: San Diego has plenty of shark restaurants, but who wants to eat shark? Isn’t that some kind of dangerous, cancerous second-hand meat? I prefer an Elwood at Fast Eddy’s. Nowhere else in the world can you get brats as good as you can at Fast Eddy’s, because no one else has the Anheuser-Busch family recipe for beer brats. I’ll take that over shark any day.

    Have I said enough…Those 2 hours wasted in the evening in other cities is horrible…

  13. I was born and raised in St.louis and lived there until I was 25. I find it to be one of the most stubborn, self-righteous, racist, knuckle dragging cities in America. I couldn’t wait to leave. When you do finally escape it’s closed minded contraints, you realize even more so how backward and hoosiery (St.Louis slang) it really is. Even the wealthy there have no real class. If you aren’t white and Christian and preferably Catholic, you really don’t belong. There are tiny pockets of interesting people but for the life of me I can’t understand what keeps them in this cesspool of ignorance. Good Riddance. I will never return. Incidentally, Imo’s is NOT pizza. It’s Cheez Whiz on a Ritz cracker. It sucks, just like St.Louis does.

  14. Somehow I missed the local outcry over this idiotic rant until now. Ironically, I found it after I searched for “I hate DC” and thought to myself, “I wonder what people said about my city, St. Louis”. I can’t say I was too bothered since I’ve heard all of these criticisms before. Well, at least I wasn’t bothered until I learned that the author was originally from Washington, DC.

    I’ve traveled a lot in my lifetime, and I haven’t found many cities that I like more than St. Louis, nor have I found many cities I loathe more than Washington, DC. You want to talk about crime? It hasn’t been that many years since DC was the murder capital of the nation. And don’t get me started on the amount of white collar crime- the crooked politicians in both parties and the lobbyists are screwing over this entire nation. So we have your city to thank for that as well. You don’t have to wander far from the touristy parts of town to find some of the worst ghettos in America. You can talk about sports when you actually support your pathetic teams. Natitude? Seriously?

    But the people of Washington, DC are absolutely the worst. New York and even Boston are kind and gentle by comparison. DC people suck because they are smug, supercilious, narcissistic, and completely rude. They will stare you down, mow you down as you get on and off Metro, they cannot drive, and everything they do and everywhere they go is better and more important than whatever you’re doing or wherever you’re going. Oh, and then there are the politicians and lobbyists hell-bent on destroying our national way of life for their own personal enrichment and power. Yes, everything odious about DC can be traced back to its people.

    Meanwhile, the observations the author made about St. Louis were exactly as superficial and absurd as I’d expect from a DC native. Crime is bad here, just as it is in many major cities, but I live in the City of St. Louis and spend a lot of my time in many city neighborhoods, and I don’t feel unsafe. Downtown is not even close to what the author described. Over seven billion dollars have been invested in downtown over the last decade, over 10,000 residents have moved in, and many restaurants and specialty shops have located in downtown as well. Streets that were admittedly desolate years ago are now thriving.

    This renaissance has also taken place in other neighborhoods like The Loop, CWE, Soulard, South Grand, and Lafayette Square. These areas are also home to excellent restaurants and great local businesses. Whatever the St. Louis food scene lacks in quantity, it makes up for in quality. If the author focused on pizza and BBQ, obviously he didn’t look all that hard anyway. Never mind the wonderful and traditional Italian food on The Hill or the wide array of African and Asian restaurants on South Grand- there is a wide variety of excellent food throughout the city and inner suburbs.

    Like I said, you can talk about sports when they become more relevant than your admittedly irrelevant blog. In the two-plus decades since Washington had its last national championship, the Rams have won the Super Bowl, and the Cardinals have won two World Series. Blues fans are long-suffering but fiercely loyal. We don’t have an MLS team (yet), but the enthusiasm for soccer is incredible. Fans are knowledgeable, passionate, and unlike DC, committed to their teams.

    I’d also like to say that St. Louis has some of the best people I’ve seen anywhere. Sure, you can find some classless and oafish sports fans and make stereotypes based on them, just as you can in other cities. But there is something to be said for Midwestern friendliness. People are unfailingly polite when you greet them, because, you know, we greet strangers and don’t sneer at them like they do in DC. Some will point out racial and class divisions, but as someone that lives in a diverse city neighborhood, I simply don’t see that in my daily interactions with friends and neighbors. Approach the world in a hostile manner and judge everything by race and class, and that’s what you’ll see no matter where you live. The remark about culture is also ridiculous- people support St. Louis’ many top-notch cultural institutions passionately. And speaking of public support, St. Louis is the 19th largest metro area, yet it consistently ranks in the top 10 metro areas in philanthropy. This is a city that cares about others, as well as the institutions that make living here a pleasure for those of us that are willing to open our eyes and not judge everything and everyone superficially, which is exactly what I expect from someone that calls Washington, DC home.

  15. I’m really just going to mention the crime and location (everything else is the original poster personal opinion). Lets get some things cleared. Crime rate: yes, St Louis crime is always in the top 5. If one knows anything about crime status understand that it’s based off population. On top of that please understand all cities have good and bad. No centeral downtown: correction, St Louis MO has two central downtowns. Downtown St Louis & Downtown Clayton (which is also located in St Louis). I have no clue about the comment on stores and others.

    I lived in a loft Downtown St Louis from 2004-2012. St Louis Macy’s headquarters is located in Downtown St Louis. Which happens to be across the street from a convenience store and down the street will be another. There are plenty of bars, clubs, restaurants, boutiques, etc located Downtown. However, Downtown St Louis is a business city in the day and a party scene at night.

    Research St Louis as a whole and you will find very interesting facts. This is a city of old money. With that being said, the old saying “it’s all about who you know” really does apply to this city. St Louis is not a show boat town that becomes ghost at night (ie. Downtown Chicago).

    Based off the posters views it is understood that the poster automatically had a pre notion before coming to the city, the poster must have stayed in a rough neighborhood (what city doesn’t have one of these), if not stayed in one stayed near a rough neighborhood, and if $2,000 for a 1bedroom that may or may not have a washer and dryer in unit is cheap in this economic crisis then go ahead with your bad self.

    This city comes to life at night. Take a ride downtown on a weekend night and then come back and post what you witness. Please pay attention to poster’s post at your own risk. It is very, very incorrect.

    To give background on myself: I am party of the old money. With property in St Louis, Chicago, and Miami Beach (in the same price range)

  16. I grew up in STL and lived there for about 25 years. I have a lot of good memories. I had many fun times at Cardinals games, the zoo, The Magic House, Blues games, and other attractions. That said, I am SO GLAD to be out of there. Naturally if you live there and haven’t lived anywhere else you will be defensive. You don’t see it from an outsiders perspective and you want to make the best of what you have. But seriously, it does kind of suck. :-) My family & friends that still live there mostly want out. The ones that do like it are comfortable there b/c they’ve never lived anywhere else and don’t know any different.

    #1 (Crime) – yeah it sucks. Even the suburbs get their fair share.
    #2 (Insular) – This is so true. Seriously, people who don’t live there consistently describe the city as “segregated.” White middle-upper class? West County. Hoosier? South County or St. Charles. Black? North County or East St. Louis. There is a reason everyone asks what high school you went to.
    #3 (Food) – Maybe Imo’s isn’t the greatest, but The Hill has amazing Italian restaurants. There are good restaurants in every city anyway.
    #4 (Sports) – I still love the Cardinals & Blues, but the Rams suck.
    #5 (Dumb schticks) – Eh, some people think they’re fun.

    I’d have to agree with Chuck, ravenhairedmaid, and Mike’s comments. And to the commenter that said, “People are unfailingly polite when you greet them b/c you know, we greet strangers and don’t sneer at them…” Really??? Somehow I’ve completely missed this friendliness. The city is chock full of insecure, rude & judgmental people who put on airs. Now, it’s always risky to say the WHOLE city is like that b/c of course there are nice people (I’m from there haha), but that’s the feel overall. STL thinks it’s east coast. LOL

    The whole city is unorganized and the streets are in crappy condition. It takes them YEARS to do any sort of construction project on the roads. And downtown is awful. It’s old, ugly, and dirty. Is all of this harsh? Yes. Is it true? In my opinion. It’s all a matter of perception…

  17. The city is old, ugly, very ragged. IMO it’s quite uninteresting in that there are no mountains, no no beaches, no palm tree’s etc…The supposed low cost of living is really not true, because for the lower cost you end up with an old outdated apt, or home. It just sucks in alot of ways. Anyone who would choose to stay in STL that has the means to leave is crazy.

  18. OK, there are better cities and worse cities. But St. Louis has plenty of great restaurants. There are a lot of parks. Always free outdoor concerts all summer long. A free zoo, lots of museums, including the City Museum which is unique and really cool. All kinds of outdoor festivals. Plenty of bars and clubs. I see plenty of diversity on my job. Forest Park has all kinds of things. There is a central Downtown. I admit, it used to be better than it is now, but they are working on bringing it back. It’s not as good as it could and hopefully will be, but better than it was. There are plenty of apartments and houses that are nice and not raggedy. There are good and bad neigborhoods, some just block away from each other. It happens. There are friendly and unfriendly people. I live in the city where I cant walk to bars or restaurants if I want to. I hate the suburbs and urban sprawl.

    All you haters can go to hell. Buh-bye.

  19. St. Louis catholic De Smet Washington U.

    Dirtiest White people rich or poor i have ever known, “nice” there not nice there surviving if you insult someone you end up dead or beat. The Black communities are the only thing that keeps this town alive.

    My mom is a former Urban Irish racist my Dad is a cold
    german farmer.

    Belgrade Serbia is paradise compared to St.louis even after a 10 year civil war.

    good luck St. Louis the longer you stay the more dysfunctional you become.

    Croatia Sea is for god you do not know good Europeans live even the poor.

    St. louis makes you tough buts its not worth it if you pride your self on your toughness you don’t have much thats the truth.

    good luck St. Louis go easy on the blacks

  20. Did you mention defensive? LOL…reading through the comments proved that one right.

    I’m unfortunate enough to live in one of the burbs of this foul city. St. Louis is a complete stinkhole. I enjoyed reading this post…hahahaha.

    I’m not a native, although am from rural buttfuque Illinois. Even a watering hole like Kinmundy, Illinois beats St. Louis. The people are cleaner and smarter.

    Love the Cards, though, rain or shine. So many Cards fans are fair-weather fans. They start off the season jabbering about how much they suck, and by the post season they’re slobbering all over themselves.

  21. I don’t know what part of downtown you were in, but you are crazy lol. There are gelato shops, many reatuarants, coffee shops, and shooed downtown. St.louis is the mother state of many flourished businesses. I agree crime is crazy. Not many cities have a close knit area such as how close SLU is I the CWE and Downtown. Not to mention, you can get luxury apartments, lofts, condos, and homes way cheaper than other states. Our public attractions are mostly free to the public, medical practice here is well known across the nation. Schooling is excellent, SLU, Wash U, UMSL, etc. even high schools, most are now college prep, including the one I graduated from. Continuous growth in the city, especially the CWE. We will be having an IKEA in our city next year, not everyone can say that. That says a lot in itself. More hotels being built, Clayton and Downtown are the staple for businesses in our city. This guy is insane, and probably never left his home/apartment. I have a friend who moves here from Minnesota within the last 2 years, and I bet she has more knowledge about the city than this numbskull.

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