Comments on: Seriously, We’re Just Fine With Campbell

By: inchesfromyourface

inchesfromyourface — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:07:52 +0000

All those numbers and stats are great, but the one thing it doesn’t show, JAY CUTLER IS A DICK.

By: MondoTE11

MondoTE11 — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:35:03 +0000

I did some stat comparisons here that show Cutler isn’t in fact that much better than Campbell. It’s marginal at best.

http://mondote11.blogspot.com/2009/04/jay-cutler-to-skins.html

By: Chris Mottram

Chris Mottram — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:28:11 +0000

Stu: That Shanahan rumor has been floating around for months. That’s another DO NOT WANT, but let’s deal with one at a time.

@Thomas: I was kinda, sorta seeing your point of view until you said Favre had a better season than Campbell last year. At which point, credibility killed.

Something else to keep in mind: No one is arguing that Campbell is a better QB than Cutler. Jamie’s argument was that the difference between the two is razor-thin. Campbell-for-Cutler straight up would be worth considered. Campbell plus a draft pick(s) for Cutler is madness.

By: StuScottsLazyEye

StuScottsLazyEye — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:59:28 +0000

Oh and there is this little tidbit from ESPN:

Washington (10-1): I have quietly heard Washington could be involved in a deal for Cutler since the day the trade story broke. The Redskins have said Jason Campbell is their quarterback, but Cutler is a better player and a trade package could involve Campbell. How about Cutler and Mike Shanahan reuniting in the nation’s capital in 2010?

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1884/Where-could-Cutler-end-up-.html

By: StuScottsLazyEye

StuScottsLazyEye — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:44:42 +0000

We are now officially the Yankees/Cubs of the NFL when it comes to spending money and not winning and fucking with the fans emotions. I can’t take this shit anymore. If you don’t want Campbell, just play Colt Brennen and go from there. Leave Cutler and his stupid ass, down south gay ass hair and bangs alone.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:24:27 +0000

That’s not quite what those stats indicate…they indicate risk-taking. If you divided the TD% by the INT%, then yes, you would get the TD/INT ratio. An even better risk metric would be to combine the percentages, but that wouldn’t be a useful indicator of QB success at all.

By: Jamie Mottram

Jamie Mottram — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:14:19 +0000

Thomas, with regard to comment 18, yes, Campbell did have a better season than Favre, who threw as many interceptions (22) as TD.

With regard to 19, TD/interception ratio tells you the same thing. Cutler throws more of both.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:05:28 +0000

Oh, and “Manning” is Peyton. For a QB on a team with a ground game, here’s Eli:

4.4% of passes were TDs
2.1% were INTs

By: Thomas

Thomas — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:52:46 +0000

A few interesting stats from last season…

Cutler:
4.1% of passes were TDs
2.9% were INTs

Campbell:
2.6% were TDs
1.2% were INTs

For good measure, Manning:
4.8% were TDs
2.2% were INTs

I think that these numbers show Campbell to be too conservative under center.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:44:59 +0000

@Jamie

I don’t mean to say that those ratios are bogus metrics, but I’ve watched Campbell enough to know that, while his TD/INT and Y/A may be respectable, he wasn’t good enough to put the Skins over the top. He doesn’t take enough risks and doesn’t lead the team well.

By your standards, Campbell was a better quarterback than Favre last year. Sorry, but 13 TD in a full season won’t cut it in the NFL.